Fun with FSBO


So I have this adorable listing at Edgewater Isle and my client is a very gifted DIY guy who’s done wonderful work in their place. It’s really gorgeous. Of course he can’t resist the temptation to carry the DIY thing into the home’s listing as well. In an effort to be helpful with the sale he went ahead and listed the place on Zillow as a For Sale By Owner listing. There’s two listings on Zillow actually, the MLS listing and the FSBO listing. They’re sort of competing with each other on that site.

What’s amusing is that the seller put my cell number in his FSBO listing for contact. Would you suspect that I might get some calls from interested buyers? Not a chance actually. What I have got are calls from real estate agents who, apparently , just got their licenses…and want a listing. First thing Monday morning it started. “Hello Sir, this is Ignatz with Coldwell Banker and I’d like to speak with you about selling your home.” At first I didn’t understand…then after the 4th call before noon I figured it out. What’s amazing is that NONE of them were from even close to around here. I actually got a call from an agent in Palmdale!! In southern California for crying out loud! They all want the listing!

My favorite was from a guy in San Jose. I missed his call and it went to voice mail. His message said “Sir, this is Paris Hilton (I made that name up..duh) with Intero and I have an extraordinary opportunity for you today. Please call me back at your earliest convenience.” Since I have several listings right now…I call him back. He says: “Sir, what I wanted to speak to you about is the incredible marketing opportunities available to you via the Intero system that will guarantee you receiving TOP dollar for your home in the blistering 2015 marketplace.” Now imagine that spiel in a deep baritone, Don Pardo kind of voice…and also obviously being read from a script. I was driving on 101 when I got that pitch. I was laughing so hard I almost had to pull over. I said; “Um, I hate to tell you this…but I’m an agent with Sothebys and the place your speaking about is listed on the MLS, by me, and it’s really NOT a FSBO. Sorry.” I thought the poor kid was going to cry.

I imagine rookie agents scouring the internet looking for For Sale By Owners to pounce on. Turn over every stone I guess.

In real estate it’s never a dull moment.

All About Timing

A client of mine asked me the other day about whether it was better to list this fall or wait until after the first of the year when the inventory situation could be better. Their goal is to move up from their condo into a single family house and they’re rightfully concerned about being able to accomplish that with an escrow and a rent back without being made homeless. Buying being as tough as it is and all.

It’s a great question really, because there is certainly a feeling that buyers have that lots of new inventory will save the day. That shining horizon of the first quarter of 2015 seems like it’s filled with possibilities too. It’s also true that November and December tend to be slower and folks tend to not list their homes then. The problem is, so many more buyers enter the market after the first of the year. Seems like every year January and February are very hot months for selling. Indeed, there’s new inventory, but there’s tons of new buyers as well. In December of 2013 a nice house on Verdun in San Mateo sold with 3 offers and went over asking. In January another nice house on Verdun in San Mateo sold with 34 offers and went WAY over asking.

It’s all a crap shoot, but I really think that selling now is better than waiting on the potential mirage of vast new inventory on the horizon. We’ve been waiting for that for years now…and it’s proven to be pretty illusory.


Over The Top

If there’s anything that will eventually hurt this market it may just be the unbridled greed that some sellers are showing lately.  Understandably, there are sellers out there that have heard all about the multiple offer, enormous overbid insanity that’s permeated the market this year and want that experience for themselves. I get that. What I’ve been hearing though takes things way over the top…in my opinion.

There are folks out there who put their homes on the market and feel entitled to a huge overbid. No matter how crumby their house is or how grossly overpriced it was to begin with. I heard an example of this the other day in San Carlos where a house came on the market on a small 400 sq ft lot, needing lots of work and only 1300 sq ft. It was listed for just under $1,200,000. Unfortunately for the sellers, they didn’t get the offers they were expecting. In fact they didn’t get an offer. When one eventually did come in it was $40,000 under asking (about what it was really worth!). The sellers wanted to counter at $1,300,000. After all…they were entitled to an overbid like that, right? I mean, how dare the market not anoint their house like it did with others.

I’ve heard this a few time this year. I’ve actually heard it in scenarios where there actually was multiple offers and the price went more than $200,000 over asking. The sellers were disappointed…because they expected $300,000 over asking!

If you’re thinking of selling…here’s some simple rules:

1) You are NOT entitled to overbids

2) If you’re lucky and you prepare correctly you MIGHT get them.

3) Your overbids may NOT be $500,000 over asking…be prepared.

4) The market is telling you what the house is worth…no matter what you get.

5) If you get a nice clean offer you probably did great.

6) If you sell your house for 20% more than the last comparable sale for your floor plan but the buyers don’t offer you free rent…that’s OK. You did great. Really.

Simple rules.


So I spoke to a nice couple last week who have a house to sell in San Mateo and it was the house that the gentleman here grew up in. It’s in trust, but has a probate connection because of a brother who was on title and also passed. These folks explained to me that they’ve been inundated by real estate agents who have swooped down upon them…wanting the listing of course. I’m not sure why this surprises me, it’s just that I NEVER have sought out clients this way. Sort of feels like ambulance chasing to me but I realize that I do not hold the corner of the market on knowledge of how to find business. It’s just the stories they were telling me!

Agents just walked right into the house without knocking. Some brought contractors back to get bids for repairs…without asking. More than one told them they could happily sell the place for them…right now, to one of their clients for $750,000. It’s in an area that I just sold a listing last month for $1,460,000. “Folks why don’t you just forget about the hassle of fixing this place up and just let my buyers take it off your hands?” Great…at a SERIOUS discount! Just to watch it get flipped in about 2 months.

I guess the point is that sellers should beware. There’s nothing like letting a property be exposed to the market so that the market can determine it’s value. There’s also nothing like preparing a home for sale to maximize it’s return. Patience and planning really are virtues.


Market Forces

It’s never a dull moment in this market and I really am seeing things I’ve never seen before. The market forces at work are really quite remarkable and sure do shape the way things are. Take the house at 223 Puffin for example. It’s a very nice 2945 sq ft 4 bedroom, 4 bath house that was listed for $1,168,000. It looked at offers, got 5 of them and then decided to opt for a different response. Here’s what’s printed in the agent notes on the MLS:

5 offers received on offer date. In light of resulting sales price of 221 Puffin Court, Sellers have elected to re-price the property accordingly.

It’s now priced at $1,308,000. The house at 221 Puffin is a 2460 sq ft 4 and 3 that was listed for $1,198,000. They looked at offers on April 26. It closes on May 21 so we’re not sure what it sold for. I have no doubt the folks at 223 Puffin do know…what do you think? I’m also thinking they didn’t get $1,308,000 when they looked at those 5 offers they got. This practice is fascinating because it sure could never happen in any other market. The market speaks and you say “no thanks…I want more”. I hope they get it! Everybody likes a rebel after all!

Preemptive Offers

Seems like a lot of us have gotten used to the pace and flow of this heated up market and sort of know it’s rhythms a bit…sort of. Every once in awhile there’s a phenomenon called the preemptive offer that sort of throws a wrench into that awareness. When a house hits the market it’s not unusual to have  somebody suggest that they want to write an offer and present it right away. Most of the time the listing agent will have created a game plan for reviewing offers and that will typically take it’s course within a 10 day period following the listings arrival. When I say most of the time I mean about 98% of the time. Occasionally the seller and agent will agree to look at an offer right away and not wait. This is called a preemptive offer.

The vast majority of preemptive offers are pretty much accomplished by writing a very attractive, over asking, non contingent offer. An offer that the seller most likely would receive if they waited. Of course there’s no way to be sure of that if you’re the seller but some sellers are anxious to sell their house. Maybe the idea of having groups of folks always showing up all week seems intimidating to them and they would just as soon have it all over with.

For what it’s worth, right now I think a seller probably makes a mistake taking an offer like this. I’ve been consistently surprised by what shows up on offer day and it’s pretty hard to determine on day one what will happen. I also think that if the buyer is so fired up about a house that he wants to  write a fat preemptive offer the odds of that buyer not being interested in a week or 10 days are slim. They’ll be there then too.

I have to say that it’s a pretty weird feeling showing a house on day one of it’s listing and seeing it sold that night in the MLS…just as I’m going to call to ask for disclosures. I saw 2 of these happen last weekend. I guess if you’re a buyer it never hurts to ask, but if you’re a seller I’m really thinking you’ll be better off, and at minimum at least as well off, by waiting.

The Sky Is Not The Limit

Well, we’ve reached an interesting observation point. Sellers in Foster City and elsewhere can actually overreach. After hearing about how crazy the market has been some sellers are putting their houses on the market at prices that aren’t realistic even now. It’s fascinating to me. Here’s a couple of examples, in San Mateo there’s a 2 bedroom, 1180 sq ft house on Huron that’s listed for $599,000. That struck me as a bit high when it came out…and the market seems to agree. No offers even though there was an offer date last week. Meanwhile, I had a listing just around the corner for $579,000 and we got 9 offers last night.

There were two different places in Foster City that also fell right into that equation in the last few weeks who’s names and addresses I’m not mentioning. Their prices were too high and the market sensed that. Quite often sellers now are hearing the good news about home values and think their pie in the sky ideas about how much they can get will become reality simply by showing up on the MLS. If a house is well priced and prepared it’s going to get attention…and offers. If it’s overpriced then you can still be stuck. I’m actually sort of glad this form of sanity is happening. It get’s REALLY scary when folks buy overpriced, problematic house just because their for sale.

Some Fallout

I had lunch with a friend of mine today who showed me a couple of letters he’s received at his house recently. It was interesting because I haven’t seen this type of letter at my house…but I suspect it won’t be long until I do. One was a short but sweet letter that appeared to be handwritten. It said simply:

Hi My name is _______ and my partner_________ and I would like to BUY your house at ___________

Please call me at ___ ___ ____

Simple, it sort of seemed believable to me. The interesting thing to me is the fact that it’s purporting to be from a buyer….not from an agent. We’ve apparently reached the stage where buyers are direct mailing homeowners asking to buy their place. The market is SO insane that now folks are independently going door to door looking for inventory!

The second letter my friend got was from an agent of sorts, but it wasn’t trolling on a listing. It said I want to buy your house and I’ll make it happen without an agent and save you a bundle. What I really think is that this individual is hip to how hot the market is right now and wants to find a seller with whom is uninformed about this heat. You could easily tell many people that their house is worth a November 2012 price and undercut its real value by about 25%. Seriously. The market has been SO hot that 3 month old comps are as irrelevant as 1995 comps. I really think this letter really was trying to pull a fast one on an unsuspecting seller.

But what do I know. Still, these are letters I’ve never seen before and it sure is interesting that my friend has received 3 of them in the last month.


Here’s an interesting seller lesson. This story appeared yesterday on Yahoo and is about a homeowner in Pennsylvania that discovered through the neighbors (after she moved in) that a murder-suicide had taken place there. This fact wasn’t disclosed to her upon her purchase in 2007. The murder-suicide happened in 2006 and before the current sellers had owned the place. In looking at our disclosures the question about a death in the house specifically asks whether that event has happened within the last 5 years. Interestingly, the defendants here won both in a trail and an appeals court. The issue now is in front of the Supreme Court in Pennsylvania. It sure seems to me that a murder-suicide that took place only a year prior to this lady buying the house should have been disclosed.

This topic has come up around here on more than one occasion in the past. There was a house on Lurline in Foster City a few years ago that had this history. Of course it was fully disclosed…and the house took ages to sell and sold at a significant discount. The problem can come when the property is a foreclosure. I saw an REO listing in Belmont a few years ago that looked great, but had no disclosures. In analyzing the history of the house it had been listed previously as a short sale and I contacted that agent to ask what history the house had and was told of a murder-suicide there. That fact wasn’t disclosed at all by the bank. Theoretically, they didn’t know about it.  In some cases it pays to do a quick Google search of a properties address prior to making the offer because information like this will show up via various media outlets. That’ll only take a minute to do that. I also think it’s obviously important for sellers to fully disclose the material facts about the home they’re selling. An event like this that happened just a few short years ago would clearly effect a persons desire to buy the house…and the neighbors are going to tell the buyers when they move in.

Just How Bad Is It?

Well, just how bad is it? What I’m talking about is just how bad is this current spectacular lack of inventory on prices and thus on the overall market in general? Let’s look at a couple of cases in point. First, there’s a house for sale in Redwood Shores on Skiff that came up 20 days ago, has no lockbox or sign and when I called to ask the seller if I could show the house last weekend I was told, “No” by the seller who informed me that it was only available to show on Monday between noon and 3. “Why is that?” I asked. Because his agent couldn’t be there last weekend. See, there’s this crazy little thing called a lockbox that allows the homes to be shown without some realtor opening the door for you. Many of you may be surprised to learn this but the vast majority of us are housebroken. If the listing agent’s not there we won’t allow wild toga parties to occur in the sellers home. Now, ordinarily a marketing mistake like this would insure a lengthy stay on the market and a significant reduction in price. Skiff looked at offers today…they had 5 of them.

If you don’t like that story, how about the vacant house on Ventura in San Mateo. It came on last Friday but wouldn’t allow showings until the Tuesday broker tour. After that the agent notes say:

Special evening showing Thursday 1/24 5:30-7:00. ***No Lockbox*** Please try to make one of the scheduled showings

What happens if the buyers can’t make it tonight during that window? The listing also says that an offer date will be determined. Did I mention the house was vacant? Why on earth would it be a problem to allow a lockbox on a vacant house? Is the marketing goal to get as few prospective buyers into the house as possible? You see…that would be the case any other time! This place actually has several disclosure packets out…it’ll get offers when they want them. No matter what you do you can’t screw thing up so far in 2013.

Now lets look at what happens when a house allows access. There’s a fixer upper listed on Clipper in San Mateo that got offers a couple of days ago. It’s vacant too and allowed showings with a lockbox. In all fairness, it was listed for the incredible price of $375,000, but here’s what the listing agent put in her notes after it went pending:

Thank you to all 87 agents who submitted offers. Seller has accepted one and another is in backup

What!! 87 offers! It must have taken 5 or 6 hours just to review them…without agents presenting them! Why is this bad news? Well, if you’re a seller it sure isn’t. You could list with your wife’s cousin Iggy who has a license in Dubuque, Iowa and not California and he could put it in the Dubuque MLS and you could probably still get multiple offers at this point. If you’re a buy on the other hand you’re going to experience a whole bunch of competition. Sorry.